LUBAVITCH, IT'S THE IDEAL WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT: A CONVERSATION (PART 2 OF 2).

Posted at mentalblog.com (Thread: Housecleaning rules ):

As to “lubavitch”, I have seen the real thing, I have seen men who were giants of spirit.
Because of that I know "it works", not because of any theory, supposition, or hope. At the end, we are not even talking about the same thing when we say “lubavitch”.
berl, crown heights 10.16.05 - 11:55 pm #

But Berl, Lubavitch is a real, talking, breathing thing. It consists of its people and its mosdos, its leaders, its culture, etc -- not some oved in the back of a beis medrash somewhere (who anyway would be considered by many to be a looser).
Boruch der ayzel 10.17.05 - 12:00 am #

to me 'lubavitch" is only a description of an ideal, nothing more. everyone else must pay cash! dos darf men oich iberkayen?
berl, crown heights 10.17.05 - 12:05 am #

B.D.A., "OVED in the back of a beis medrash somewhere (who anyway would be considered by many to be a LOOSER"), I like the pun, עובד – אובד :-)
faruq 10.17.05 - 12:05 am #

faruq, the pun may work more than you realize - check out Iben Ezra on arami oived ovi...
berl, crown heights 10.17.05 - 12:07 am #

רשב״ם works better for me...
faruq 10.17.05 - 12:09 am #

well, according to IE, the beginning of the verse speaks of the same man as the end, so I like it better. Also, IE is the one who explains the verb oived :-)
berl, crown heights 10.17.05 - 12:12 am #

though I understand your affinity to Rashbam as well, it is more familiar to call Avrohom the arami
berl, crown heights 10.17.05 - 12:15 am #

berl, true, but Avrohom the First resonates better with me :-)
faruq 10.17.05 - 12:15 am #

[And] Berl you are talking about the ideal. We are all here because we love that ideal. Others are forced, however, on a day to day basis, to contend with thereality.
Boruch der ayzel 10.17.05 - 12:12 am #

Berl is in a murky state. On hand he feels a fanatical partisanship of the movement, on the other hand he denys that any individual is bound to and by the movement or it’s institutions. This is simply crazy.
Tzemach Atlas Homepage 10.17.05 - 12:10 am #

TA, I would rewrite the sentence: “On the one hand he feels a fanatical affinity to the ideals of the movement, on the other hand he denies that any individual is bound by the movement as such or its institutions.”Would that edit job keep me out of the loony bin?
berl, crown heights 10.17.05 - 12:26 am #

[TA wrote:] "if you truly only cared for the ideals you would not get all insulted every time someone attacks the movement as such."
maybe caring for ideals only is, itself, only an ideal for me thus far...
berl, crown heights 10.17.05 - 12:46 am #

"maybe caring for ideals only is, itself, only an ideal for me thus far..."

berl, gezunte makifin debina!
faruq 10.17.05 - 12:51 am #

A dank far alle vunchen, vechein lemar
berl, crown heights 10.17.05 - 12:53 am #