Thursday, June 29, 2006

SHIDDUCHIM FOR MIKUROVIM (PART 2 OF 3)

Originally Posted at mentalblog.com (Thread: Baaley Tshuva - worse than sephardim)

P A R T TWO (Continued from Wednesday):

Parents have the right and indeed and obligation to steer their children toward the kind of shidduch they feel will make their child happiest. Considerations of cultural compatibility are legitimate in this arena. Considerations of national / religious duty (as in "we must make the BT's feel welcomed, so let's introduce our Rochele to this nice BT guy") must not enter this picture.

None of this is in any way a contradiction to the precept of ahavas Yisroel, nor to the Chabad recruitment efforts.

Furthermore, drop the "false advertisement" idea. The new Chabad BTs have always been well aware that their chances of marrying born-and-bred Lubavitcher girls were slim to none. It was always one of the first questions raised by the interested college students at the pegishas in Crown Heights.

berl, crown heights 10.06.05 - 11:34 pm #

Which was questioned by Reb Tzemach Atlas:

I challenge you to find a mythological or historic precedent when a tribe invites new members to join and then forbids them to marry within the tribe. Find me an example.
Tzemach Atlas Homepage 10.06.05 - 11:42 pm #

Berl Responded:

I disagree with the notion of "forbids". That is not what I see around me. I maintain that the discrimination is real, but is 95% cultural, as is the case in every society with immigrants. It is tough to be a newcomer. Not for naught are we told that golus mechaperes.

berl, crown heights 10.06.05 - 11:51 pm #

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TA, I live "here". This is what I see - a BT community that functions in ways very reminiscent of ethnic immigrant communities. BTs socialize and marry mostly within the confines of their community. With some exceptions.

berl, crown heights 10.07.05 - 12:08 am #

3 TAMMUZ - CAN THERE BE ANOTHER LUBAVITCHER REBBE?


Originally posted at mentalblog.com (Thread: Living charismatic leader):

1…The Rebbe gave instructions that "after 120" people should turn to for guidance to "3 chassidishe rabbonim.” These instructions would not be necessary for chassidim who are supposed to choose a new Rebbe.

2. From "day one", the Rebbe said (I know [some] would like to say beoifen shel tefillo - but it is simply not the case) that this was the last generation (and by calling it shevii, he made it clear that the term generation was a reference to the nessiim) of golus...
The Rebbe thereby precluded the possibility of deir HaShmini coming onto the scene.

3. From "day one" the Rebbe referred to the Previous Rebbe as nasi doireinu - setting up a very clear & obvious example to follow post 3 Tammuz.
But I will agree [that] the Rebbe never said peh molei: “There shall be no other Rebbes onto you!”. However, the above mentioned are the most reasonable and obvious interpretations of his various hanhogois & statements. These interpretations are supported by the facts on the ground – the obvious absence of even remotely suitable “candidate”.

berl, crown heights 07.18.05 - 9:10 pm #

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…Look up the sicha containing instructions for "after 120..." (said during the shiva for the Rebbetzin). But perhaps more significantly, the way the Rebbe described his nessius from "day one" made it clear "this was it".

berl, crown heights 07.18.05 - 8:02 pm #
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The question is not whether a new Rebbe possible. The question is much deeper, it is really all about the core motivation. To borrow from the great Rogatchover: "did you come to the Rebbe to Leningrad or to Leningrad to the Rebbe? There are 16 nafka minos lehalocho between the two..."

Does a chossid need a Rebbe so that he can be a better Jew? Or does he need to be a better Jew so that he can be connected to the Rebbe? For most Lubavitchers it is the latter. It is very clear that from day one, the Rebbe himself saw his nessius as that of a chosem vesium. This continued to be so for the rest of the nessius. In that context, what is there to talk about ... ?

berl, crown heights 07.15.05 - 3:30 am #
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It is … a huge doichek to say that the momentous "after 120" sichoh was really just a directive for [a] "between the Rebbes" period.
If circumstances were such, that reality (in form of an obviously qualified "Rebbe candidate") was at odds with those obvious & simple interpretations, one could contemplate docheik-type interpretations.
But post 3 Tammuz, the obvious reality and the obvious interpretations are at peace with each other…

berl, crown heights 07.19.05 - 12:28 am #

Wednesday, June 28, 2006

CAN WE EMPHASIZE KIRUV AND NOT PROVIDE MARRIAGES FOR THE MIKUROVIM? (PART 1 OF 3)

Posted at mentalblog.com (Thread: Baaley Tshuva - worse than sephardim):

TA wrote: For Chabad to hold back their daughters from the full fledged Jews who joined their ranks upon their aggressive solicitations is dishonest and is a fatal spilling of blood.

This statement makes the preposterous seem reasonable.

1. Just because Jew A does Jew B a favor of reminding them of his inherent obligation to lead a Jewish life, does that mean that Jew B is now owed an additional favor of being able to marry Jew A's daughter?

2. Even if #1 were true, does said "daughter" have any say in deciding with whom she is to spend the rest of her life? Is she not entitled to choose someone with whom she shares a cultural bond? Or is the intensely private institution of marriage to be given over to public-policy makers? (as in “My daughter, just lie back and think of England!”)

3. Down with the constant BT whining about their "sacrifices"! Sacrifices of what? For whom? Who exactly had the most to gain here? Was it not the BT themselves, their ancestors and progeny?

4. Down with the constant BT wining about not being accepted! How hard does an average BT try to assimilate into the culture of the community they joined? I am not talking about a “beard and a hat” (see the Haaretz artice). I am talking language, cultural nuances, etc. I am talking about the kind of things every immigrant to a new society expects to have to do in order to gain acceptance.

Here is the real truth: too many BTs do not view frum people as human beings with the same emotional needs that human beings everywhere have (A reading of the Shylock’s monologue might be in order here). At the same time, for many BTs, their entire self image hinges on the “acceptance by the frum”. Would there be more “Z'ev Rosenberg” types that exhibit a healthy amount of independence and self-respect!

(Disclaimer: I am aware that the current cultural segregation of BTs in Lubavitch has origins on the aborigine side of the fence as well. I did not address it in this comment.)

berl, crown heights 10.06.05 - 10:10 pm #

ON THIS WE CAN AGREE: SHLICHUS SHOULD BE A NO SELF-AGGRANDIZING ZONE

Originally posted at mentalblog.com (Baaley Tshuva - worse than sephardim):

[A commenter] wrote: But aren't there also shluchim who enjoy talking to anyone who will listen all about their mesiras nefesh for the Rebbe's inyanim?...

I agree. Down with the constant self-aggrandizing of the shluchim and their nauseating self-proclaimed "sacrifices for the Rebbe"!

berl, crown heights 10.06.05 - 11:05 pm #

Tuesday, June 27, 2006

OF STONES AND MEN


Originally posted at mentalblog.com (The Big Boulder of Kurenitz):

I have a 'feeling' that the lifeless aveido zoroh boulders from 'reisen' zeinen duruchgeveiged mit chassidishe derheren in a sach tifere oifen vi di lebedike mentzen un fruen mit vemen du probirst tzu diskutiren do af dein barimter blog ;-).
berl, crown heights 11.02.05 - 7:23 pm #

(Editor: Which is not true for all stones:)



Yener steiner zainen kalt, on kein mutikeit. nit dos meint men!
berl, crown heights 11.02.05 - 7:32 pm #

(Editor: And for good measure:)

The Rebbe already paskened that Steinzalt is a bad name...
Tzemach Atlas Homepage 11.02.05 - 7:32 pm #

ah, dos is mitztzad dem "zaltz" - er is doch gebliben EVEN isroel! LOL
berl, crown heights 11.02.05 - 7:34 pm #

Friday, June 23, 2006

THE CAMPAIGN OF HATE

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: The Rogatchover :

… No doubt "party press" in every group tends to put the stress on themselves at the expense of others. This, unfortunately, comes with the territory. Lubavitch is no exception to this.

However, Lubavitch is singled out for a de facto boycott by all the major orthodox entities even when those pretend to be "inclusive".
Art Scroll is doch man dchar shmaihu, but even someone as eclectic as Rabbi Goldwasser, who has a story to tell you about every koton vegodol, never allows himself a “slip” about the Lubavitcher Rebbe! This, despite the fact that he shows up to speak in CH as a “friend”! He even felt compelled to edit out all mention of Lubavitch from a book about Motel Lifshitz! The examples of this attitude are endless!

All this amounts to a real campaign of hate against Lubavitcher chassidim. As a Lubavitcher living in 5766, I can tell you that I feel zero affinity with the orthodox community and care even less for its concerns. I suspect many feel the same way. Which is why all the complaints about sheluchim not cooperating with other orthodox organizations and using “undemocratic methods” of asserting their authority in, say, FSU and Europe fall on deaf ears. As well they should. The lack of cooperation in Europe did not precipitate this ubiquitous hate, but is merely a defense against it.

(Agav, in this climate, if any Lubavitcher were to cooperate with any orthodox entity to assert themselves vis-à-vis other Lubavitchers [as the proclamation against Asman alleges], I would turn against them in a heart beat and support such a proclamation, even if he is was really wronged.)

berl, crown heights 10.10.05 - 10:31 pm / Link: #

Thursday, June 22, 2006

LET'S START WITH MIN HAMIDABER, OK?

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: Modern Yeshiva – a Torah prohibition?

I have always wondered how is it, that the very same people who rally against any kabboloh learning by the "unprepared", encourage the pilpul system for young bachurim, ensuring that they leave the walls of the yeshiva ammei hooretz deoraisa, some not even full-fledged members of the min hamidaber (no having a single language they can express coherent thoughts in). That Lubavitch yeshivas copied that system in the main simply blows my mind! Ask any Rosh Yeshiva in Lubavitch what happened to following the method of learning Talmud outlined in kuntres eitz hachaim. A shoulder shrug will be the usual answer. Verabim hallolim hippilu.
berl, crown heights 07.17.05 - 12:31 pm / Link: #

And, from Better eat gefilte fish:

PLEASE STOP! No more "by us", "by them", "by him"! What language are you speaking, people? This is not English! It is MADDENING!!!!!!
berl, crown heights 07.24.05 - 10:58 pm / Link: #

Wednesday, June 21, 2006

SEFER HAZICHREINEIS: IT'S NOT A HISTORY BOOK

This post was a response to a commenter's criticism of the Rebbe Rayatz's sefer zichreineis and historical accounts:

At mentalblog.com (Thread: Modern Yeshiva – a Torah prohibition?) Yehuda writes: How could one repeat verbatim a conversation that occurred 200 years ago?

Do you really seriously think that such is the level of historic fidelity expected form any stories? Dialog accuracy? I guess all sippurei tzadikim are worthless-waste-of-time-bobe-maises, if judged by that standard.

berl, crown heights 07.18.05 - 5:27 pm #

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I was 16 when I read the Sefer Hazichreineis for the first time. Even at that age, I did not for a moment imagine that the dialog replicas were presented in the book as stenographer’s record. To hear this expectation from a grown man is just shocking! As to the genesis of the chassidus outlined in the book - it would be interesting to hear more specifics.
For instance, what specific historic claim made in the book is disputed? On what grounds? By whom?
Also remember, most of the book deals with the history of Beis HoRav and tells stories about various unknown "simple Jews". What do these subject have to do with the verifiable historic record?

berl, crown heights 07.18.05 - 7:07 pm #

BROTHER LEIBL, A”H


Some backround:

#1. The Rebbe Rayatz addresses Yisroel Arye Leib in a letter to him thusly:

B”H
17 Kislev 5708
Brooklyn

My friend, grandson of my great-uncle, my honored relative by marriage, the
great baal kishron, vosik v’chassid, man who fears G-d, Mr. Leib
sh’yichyeh,

#2. Some Chabad links:
http://www.chabad.org/dailystudy/HayomYom.asp?tDate=5/11/2006&Lang=
http://chabad.info/bm/index.php?magazine=ee_&status=goto_id&id=21

And now we come the point:

At mentalblog.com (Thread: rebbes-brother-yisroel-aryeh-leib), Tzemach Atlas wrote:

…here is a quote illustrating how Yisrael Aryeh Leib's life looks from the vantage point of an official Lubavitcher history hacker:http://www.chabadcenters.com/scr...?

The pious G-d fearing chasid, intelligent and understanding pleasant with good characteristics Yisrael Aryeh Leib was born in Nikolayev on 16 (?) Sivan, 5609. Stayed for a period of time in Leningrad, where the previous Rebbe showed him great fondness. The Chassidim, too, liked him and enjoyed barraging him with a variety of questions on Halacha, Chassidut etc. In 5690 (1930) he left the Soviet Union and settled in Berlin, later leaving for the Holy Land where he married. He spent his last years in Liverpool, England, passing away at an early age on 13 Iyar, 5712 (1952). By request of his brother the Rebbe, he was brought to the Holy Land and he was interred in the Holy city of Tzfàt.

:-(

Tzemach Atlas Homepage 08.10.05 - 2:08 pm #

Berl’s response:
This is too silly. Which part of this translation from the "Hayom Yom" do you object to? Is it the pro-forma barrage of titles that are similar to what goes on a "matzevah" of every Jew? Are you are looking for "the soul of the man" in a footnote to his brother's biography? Good luck.

Btw, the same link has this invitation in the intro:
"…if you have little-known biographical information about the Rebbe, please e-mail us at: editor@chabadonline.com"

Go for it.

P.S. chabad.org people are as far removed from “hacks” as anyone I ever met in my life. If you had any idea what these people were like, you’d not use such language about them.
berl, crown heights 08.10.05 - 2:31 pm #

A commenter took issue:
Instead of Yaakov struggling with angels we would have gotten an eunuch sitting at farbrengens.
And can you imagine Havatik HaChasid Esav?
rebeljew Homepage 08.10.05 - 3:35 pm #

Which Tzemach agreed with:
Good one, rebeljew. Ishmoel settled with Hagar in a desert, where Rebbe Avrohom "showed him great fondness."
Tzemach Atlas Homepage 08.10.05 - 3:41 pm #

Berl’s response:
TA & rebeljew,
I trust you can come with more variations on the same joke but I would rather see a more intellectually stimulating discussion.

The history of idealization of past heroes and villains is long. It goes back to the times of the Tannoim and Ammaroim (anyone remember how the Talmud deals with Dovid & Bathsheva story?). Certainly kabboloh & chassidus glowingly describes Eisav, Ishmael, Korach and many other Jewish "sinners" in Tanach as lofty souls - it "shows them great fondness" and calls them "vassikim & chassidim – aher kavonosom lesheim shomaim hoiso".

The real question is why is there this tendency in Torah itself and does it help a Jew in his "struggle to seek G-d"?
berl, crown heights 08.10.05 - 4:17 pm #

The real question is why is there this tendency in Torah itself and how does it help a Jew in his "struggle to seek G-d"?
berl, crown heights 08.10.05 - 4:19 pm #

TA wrote: I sneer at that. I have no problem admiring Dovid knowing what happened with Bat Shevah, etc.

[Berl:] Well, I would also not admire Dovid Hamelech any less without the Gemora admonishing us that kol mi sheoimer Dovid choto.... And I would also have no problem with the other multi-dimensional stuff you suggest, on the contrary - I would love it.

But: sneer all you want - that Gemora is there! The super-human description of the tzadik is there in Tanya kadisha, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

To me it is not all that interesting what you or I prefer. I would much prefer to understand what the Teiroh wants me to think when it gives me the "positive – perfect" (or as you say "embellished") side to all these people and events...
berl, crown heights 08.10.05 - 10:27 pm #

Tuesday, June 20, 2006

JOIN US!

[The idea that] that "all Jews need to be Lubavitchers" is, of course silly. But in this exaggeration there is some truth. Remember, the subject matter [being discussed] was whether Lubavitch (or the Rebbe) wants to recruit other Jews to be Lubavitchers or just to be frum.

My main point was, and remains still, that all the apologists - that say Lubavitch only wants to bring Jews closer to frumkeit - are wrong, both factually & morally. All Chabad Rebbes (starting with אדמו"ר הזקן ) were actively recruiting talented rabbinic youth*.

It was not the Rebbe that first said the נוסח התפילה של האר"י ז"ל was the שער הכולל. As to the Rebbe, I can show you a letter where he states that the ultimate goal of a sheliach is to make everything in his place of shelishus פונקט אזיי ווי עס איז געווען אין ליובאוויטש.

The point – this is the שיטה. And none of this has anything to do with increasing the numbers of "our fold" but is a quest that is rooted in a deep spiritual desire to accomplish הפצת המעיינות של תורת הבעל שם טוב – תורתו של משיח.

Having said this, I understand that this שיטה might make some people uneasy. But that does not change it. Somehow, though, I do not think the Rebbes wanted to uproot that "gorgeous mosaic" (been reading Mayor Dinkins’ old speeches lately? ;-) ) and certainly not the plurality of Jewish approaches to learning.

* Note: regarding this point I refer you to some piquant correspondence between the Previous Rebbe & Zalman Gourary published recently by Berel Levin.

berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 10:43 am Link: #

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: The Satmarer challenge

Monday, June 19, 2006

FREEDOM THEN & NOW; IT'S ALL IN THE DEFINITION

The usage of the word 'frei' to describe Jews that are not observant goes back to this comment of mine.

‘Youths’ then were saying the same things [as others are] today (identical, actually), and called themselves 'frei' - they threw off the shackles of the ‘suffocating and oppressive shtetl mentality' and freed themselves from the religion that came with that package.
Those that remained 'frum', scoffed at the 'so called frei' or 'frei' for short. And that’s how ‘frei’ became the word ‘frei’ we all know and love (to use). But in terms of the concept, of course... a Jew respects the concept of freedom, but has a definition of it that is not in accord with the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment. A Jew believes instead that ein lecho bein choirin elo me sheoisek baTeiroh.
berl, crown heights 11.16.05 - 12:00 pm #

'Freedom' as a western sensibility is covered by another maamar chaza'l: "avdo behefkeiro nicho leih".
berl, crown heights 11.16.05 - 12:14 pm #

SWFI: It was not my intention to moralize in any way - lo bosi elo leforeish peshuto shel milo. I was only answering a language question. Period. No hidden agendas (or is it agendae?).
berl, crown heights 11.16.05 - 12:20 pm #

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: The Lyricist Sholom Keller

Friday, June 16, 2006

THE UNHEEDED CRY: DO YOU HEAR ME SCHNEUR?!"

Today's posting is really not much of a commentary on anything, other than the many unanswered requests (I only have some of them here. There were more (I think 6 in total), but you'll get the point) by Berl in search of material. Any help in the cause is appreciated...

It all started with a comment at mentalblog.com by "Schneur:"

...Rabbi Michel Ber Weismandel was full of criticism of these people including Rabbi Abraham Kalmanowitz. I won't bother to tell you what Reb Michel Ber wanted to do to Rabbi Kalmanowitz in NY when he came here after the war. Yet Reb Michel Baer was a good friend of the Mahaaryatz in America. Check out the biography of the late Burshtiner rebbe rav Eichenstein(written by his son the current rebbe shlita) for some choice morsels of criticism against the vaad and their rescue activities...
Schneur 03.24.05 - 1:03 pm #

Followed by:

Schneur,
Can you please write were can one get "the biography of the late Burshtiner Rebbe Rav Eichenstein"? What is the actual name of the book? Also, when you fill better (G-d willing soon), can you please post more about Rabbi Michel Ber Weismandel and his take on the Vaad Hatzoloh efforts. I have read much about him, all "artscrolled", though, and never anything along the lines of your report. Thank you.
berl, crown heights 03.24.05 - 1:21 pm #

And Schneur responded:

Berl,
The chevra of Artscroll get an anxiety attack when the word Lubavitch is mentioned. They also have a homoginized hashkafa approved by the "gedolim"...
Reb Michel Ber was not a friend of these people. Very little was ever printed on this and I depend on my sources in the CHAGAS community for this data. I will get you the name of the sefer (I have it at home too) and I will be glad to copy the pages that are shayech to our inyan...

Schneur 03.24.05 - 2:08 pm #

A couple months later:


Schneur,Did you forget your promise to post about the biography of the late Burshtiner Rebbe Rav Eichenstein and Rabbi Michel Ber Weismandel's take on the Vaad Hatzoloh efforts?
berl, crown heights 05.12.05 - 6:42 pm #

And again:

Schneur, ???
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...66426019/
berl, crown heights 05.16.05 - 3:50 pm #

And...

And once again (though I beginning to sound like a pest):
Did you forget your promise to post about the biography of the late Burshtiner Rebbe Rav Eichenstein and Rabbi Michel Ber Weismandel's take on the Vaad Hatzoloh efforts?
berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 11:09 am #

Thursday, June 15, 2006

SATIRE 101

Originally posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: Chasid Bobuv B'nusach Chabad

We begin with the following comment posted by “Faruq”:

…I know a rov in Flatbush, a real talmid chochom (exclusively in positive connotation), very accessible, yet deep personality, with a sense of humor etc. in short, a pleasure to be around. The guy knows next to nothing about Chabad. However, what little he does know comes from B. Shemtov. The rov was raised in England and his father, a prominent talmid Ch. himself, used to daven in Shemtov’s shul in England. The rov’s attitude towards Lubavitch is that of scorn and disdain. When provoked to share his feelings re: Chabad, he would say “he drank and yelled and screamed at my father’s face that whoever doesn’t know Tania is an am-hooretz.” and he would wave his hand in dismissal.

faruq 07.29.05 - 8:49 am #


Berl responded:

faruq,

I know this businessman from North Carolina, who is a very rich man (I mean this exclusively in a positive sense). He is generous to a fault. Despite his wealth, he is very accessible and has a great sense of humor. In short - a pleasure to be around! Now, this guy knows next to nothing about the Jews. What little he does know, comes from a man by the name of Ben Samuelson – an inn kipper from Charleston. You see, my acquaintance was raised in Atlanta, and his father, himself a prominent businessman, used to take the boy along on his frequent business trips to Charleston. The pair used to stay in Ben’s Inn.

I do not know all that had transpired during those stays, but even today the man’s attitude towards the Jews is that of scorn and disdain.

I once provoked him to explain his feelings, the otherwise calm and genteel businessman from North Carolina started foaming at his mouth and furiously exclaimed: “that Jew Ben drank himself silly and then yelled and screamed in my father’s face that only the Jews have enough brains to make money.” And then he calmed down and simply waved his hand in a gesture of dismissal.

berl, crown heights 07.29.05 - 9:39 am #


And, just for the record, this was the response:

berl, I admire you
faruq 07.29.05 - 9:46 am #

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Note: A special thanks is extended to an unnamed individual who helped me locate this post. Honestly, in my opinion, for this post alone the Berl Yeimi was worthwhile.

Wednesday, June 14, 2006

MY REBBE IS...

Praising the Rebbe for being “a great scientist” seems understandable when you are engaged in propaganda (at times I have done so myself, and will do it again in a flash!), but for a chossid to seriously pin their attachment to the Rebbe on this idea is really depressing and misses the whole point of what a Rebbe is.

Even saying something that is not disputable, like “The Rebbe is a great talmid chochom” is not something a Chabad chossid should stoop to.

berl, crown heights 03.23.05 - 3:44 pm Link: #

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: Email interview with Dr. Bryan Mark Rigg

Tuesday, June 13, 2006

ON A LIGHTER NOTE: DEM YANKELS

Posted at mentalblog, ("mendy-says") In response to the mendelblog.com post -- and a picture of Mendel in his Red Sox regalia:

Es tut vei zen an yidish kind mit der redsox kasket... go yankees!
berl, crown heights 06.19.05 - 6:52 pm #
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The Yankees are a yiddishe team, they play for New York (yir ahser yad Yisroel tekifa boi). Red Sox, on the other hand, is the ultimate goyisher team :-)
berl, crown heights 06.19.05 - 11:23 pm #
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And The Dodgers are meshummodim! :-)
berl, crown heights 06.19.05 - 11:29 pm #
Due to the many requests I've recieved for the shirt displayed here, I am including ordering information (None of the proceeds from these sales go to the Berl Yeimi):

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:-)

COMPETITION IN CHINUCH: NECESSARY & NATURAL (AND IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY)

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: Australian Chabad ablaze in truth:

[A commenter wrote:] "It's easy for them to squash a school when those supporting it are only naive yungerlite with nothing but temimus and chasidishkeit behind them."

I would caution against idealizing one side while vilifying the other. This is usually not representative of reality. What is important to remember is that even the best of people will stagnate without competition. Such is the nature of man by Divine design. Ukvar omru kadmoneinu: kinnas sofrim tarbeh hochmah.

berl, crown heights 07.12.05 - 11:56 am #

And this one (thread: Glasnost rolls on):

Competition in chinnuch is necessary, natural, and is not an act of war against anyone! That some may react to a new competing school negatively is their own problem. Need I remind anyone that OT itself started precisely that way by Rabbi Michoel Teitelbaum A”H?
At the end of the day, it is the responsibility of every parent to give their children the proper chinnuch (and it is not good enough to say "I gave them the best of the available").
At times I did consider starting a small cheder for my kids with like-minded parents.
Through trial-and-error I concluded that as of now in CH (this very time/place specific) the best approach is to place one’s kids “within the system” and augment at home (and augment a LOT!). I do not wish to go into the specifics behind this view and understand that in many places that is not an option at all. There, parents MUST AT ALL COSTS create alternatives for their kids!This is not an issue of “law-and order”. It is an issue of real existential weight.

berl, crown heights 07.13.05 - 12:34 am #

Monday, June 12, 2006

ZIONISM, COLLEGE & (BIG FINALE) WE'LL SELL THAT TOO

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: The zal is no longer the only forum in which Lubavitch teens are educated:

#1. Zionism: [A commenter, Schneur, wrote:] "Surely in name the Rebbe was not a Zionist, but in fact he was not an anti-Zionist."

This statement is factually accurate and not debatable. You can forever discuss the "whys", but Schneur stated the indisputable "what".

berl, crown heights 05.18.05 - 10:29 am / Link:#


A commenter (JMO) wrote:
While the Rebbe did not support secular Zionists, he was certainly very welcoming to secular Zionists and cared very much about the country. No other anti-Zionist acted as he did. In fact, as everyone here well knows, many anti-Zionists considered the Rebbe a Zionist.

Again, I agree the Rebbe wasn't a Zionist. However, one wonders if his father-in-law or his grandfather-in-law (Is there such a word?) would have acted as he did.
JMO Homepage 05.17.05 - 7:54 pm / Link: #
Berl responded:

JMO, The Previous Rebbe did act in exactly such a way. The very warm Zalman Rubashev [aka Shazar] connection was actually his; there is other reliable anecdotal evidence surrounding the events of 1948 to suggest more of the same friendly disposition later made famous by the Rebbe. As to the Rebbe Rashab, given the Previous Rebbe's legendary devotion to his father's approach to everything, you can safely assume his father would have acted the same way. It would be silly to assume that any outsider has a better grasp of the precise nature of the Rebbe Rashab's opposition to Zionism in the early 1900s than his son and spiritual successor!

berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 8:14 pm / Link: #

And I cut this out of an unrelated comment (see link below):

Moreover, [the Rebbe Rashab] explained his opposition Zionism by saying that it will prevent such students from doing תשובה. Need references with page numbers?

berl, crown heights 04.11.05 - 2:05 pm / Link: #

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#2. College:

The Rebbe's view of college is not as simple as the cookie-cutter mashpeim make their mushpoim believe. There are all the anti-college statements, to be sure. But if the Rebbe's daas is all that matters (and not a desire to happily fit the Rebbe into the narrow charedi definition), then those statements should never be taken out of context. Also, surely you know that there were people whom the Rebbe encouraged to go to college. Who will take on the role of advising someone in with a similar need today?

berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 6:14 pm / Link: #

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Can you, for example, imagine a situation where what was "unique circumstances" yesterday is common-place today? Or another example - an attitude about college that was common place yesterday being unique today? Neither of those possibilities is far-fetched today! We need to be careful not to making blanket statements in the Rebbe's name!

berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 6:34 pm / Link: #

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We should avoid cookie-cutter-one-size-fits-all-out-of-context pronouncements on the Rebbe's behalf. In matters like this, an individual can, with a help of a thoughtful chassidishe mashpia understand the Rebbe's kavono for their particular situation. I am truly sorry this approach is not neat enough for the "Heimishe Yidden" debating society.

berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 6:59 pm / Link: #

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( #3. And, sure, We Sell That: )

[But,] if what you are trying to do is recruit converts to Lubavitch that still need to be reassured the Rebbe is part of the "medina and college are treif" crowd, just tell them he is. I would in a blink. און תוך שלא לשמו בא לשמו ... :-)

berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 7:18 pm / Link: #

Friday, June 09, 2006

YIDDISH BLOGERS TODAY... OR IS IT YESTERDAY?

Posted at mentalblog.com (Thread: The Warrior Sholom Keller)

...I feel like we are literally re-living the 1890s.

Yiddish blogers are all ‘free-thinking’ Sholom-Aleichem clones... Round-spectacles-wearing 18 year olds (who are giddy with the discovery of their brain along with other body parts) are mouthing off 100-year-old revolutionary mantra...Parents and the Rabbis still imagine that suppression of ‘bad influences’ will keep the kids ‘in the fold’...

Only there is nothing ‘original’ or ‘special’ about any of this. It’s déjà vu all over again! I only hope with not such devastating results this time around.

berl, crown heights 11.14.05 - 9:45 pm / Link: #

Thursday, June 08, 2006

SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT


From mentalblog.com / Thread: The Satmarer challenge

[In response to a commenter using the handle] Misnaged,

Surely you know that being "opposed" to something is not the only alternative to "agreeing" with it? You can "disagree with Chassidim" without being sworn enemy of their דרך.

But perhaps you also think that the excommunications, persecution & murder (yes - murder!) of Chassidim in the late 1700s in Lita was an appropriate way to be "in opposition" to them? Do you think that a man who (along with a few notable others) renewed that hatred after more than 100 years of peace by telling his people that "the חרם of the GR"A was actually never lifted" deserves to lauded as זקן ראשי ישיבות and a מנהיג of "Torah Jewry"?

And you are going to lecture someone on the ways of אהבת ישראל for expressing disgust with this approach? רצחת וגם ירשת ?

berl, crown heights 05.17.05 - 4:54 am Link: #

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And this (from We’ll all live happily ever after):

The reason for existence of chassidus Chabad always was - and remains today the same - connecting Jews with G-d, ואידך פירושא.

I am really tired of these fruitless discussions that lead nowhere all the time - איר וועט סיי ווי בלייבן בא אייער'ס און איך וועל בלייבן בא מיין , I will say just a few words in conclusion. [A commenter] said earlier: "Most other chassidim regard them [Lubavitchers] as people who are no longer Heimishe Yidden and have embarked on crazy paths. The yeshiva world is completely not gores Chabad."

Please remind yourself of these words next time you get all worked-up about reports of Chabad sheluchim acting in "strictly sectarian" ways!

berl, crown heights 04.11.05 - 4:29 pm Link: #

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And finally this one (but there is no name to the thread) :

I deplore any domination by force. Additionally, attempts to dominate people’s minds by force will always back-fire at the end. Let "the best man" win the hearts & minds of people on the free market of ideas.

However, understand that when you are under constant attack, it is easy to become paranoid and one may have a hard time distinguishing real enemies from the imaginary ones...

berl, crown heights 04.03.05 - 5:41 pm Link: #

Wednesday, June 07, 2006

SILENCE TREATMENT

Posted at mentalblog.com, Thread: From Chabad to Elokism:

A note to Lubavitchers (bachurim or otherwise):
Any creature that challenges you to "defend" the Rebbe against their venom has to be ignored, because by answering them, you tacitly acknowledge their right to speak in the tone they do. The Rebbe can defend himself just fine without our help. So do not take the bait.
berl, crown heights 06.09.05 - 5:12 pm #

And this one, after a commenter responded to criticism by one who claimed affiliations with "The Malochim": http://www.mentalblog.com/2005/06/canaletto-perspective-1765-oil-on.html:

Why waste time on these people?
The last time I met members of the "malochim" sect was circa 1980. Since then, I never gave these weirdos another thought, and this is pretty typical of most chassidei Chabad. These people are all Hungarian ערב רב. They have zero connection to Chabad - aside from the Kehoth seforim with torn-off covers. But they crave recognition. So understand, they are not trying to win an argument with you. All they want is your acknowledgement. You provide it by speaking to them.
berl, crown heights 06.17.05 - 2:13 pm #

Tuesday, June 06, 2006

KIRUV: WE SELL THAT

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: Why Jew is synonymous with counterculture

Folks - whatever floats your boat!
You want "counter culture" that rejects the complacent middle class values and despises the sated bourgeoisie? We will sell that.

You want the "American dream" & respect the productive classes? We will sell that.

You want "new age"? We will sell that.

'Cause it is all somewhat true & mostly BS. So, we will sell whatever - as long as it gets you to put on tefillin and keep shabbos.
berl, crown heights 06.02.05 - 7:11 pm Link: #


berl, this is not a supermarket.
Tzemach Atlas Homepage 06.02.05 - 8:44 pm Link: #


That's your opinion. and I think it is.
berl, crown heights 06.02.05 - 8:53 pm Link: #

Monday, June 05, 2006

RUSSIAN DEMOCRACY?

…As to the whole issue of Russia turning away from democracy - why would anyone give a **** about that G-d forsaken place? Because of the Jews there? The Jews can function just fine under a benevolent dictatorship, thank you very much. (Gasp!) Anyone remember the hero & liberator of Chile, General Augusto Pinochet? The Jews did great under him.

As to the natives - I, for one, don’t think the Great Russian People are capable of governing themselves without a Strong Leader (mustache optional).

[ducking and covering my head from the flying stones]

berl, crown heights 11.24.05 - 9:10 pm / Link: #

Posted at mentalblog.com , Thread: R. Goldshmidt is banned from Moscow

Thursday, June 01, 2006

KASHRUS TAX, VOUCHERS & FINANCE

Posted at mentalblog.com / Thread: Jewish demographics in Boston, MA:

A commenter, Schneur, writes:

Re: Jewish schools and their funding:

In the US municipalities, services are provided to residents like police, fire, sanitation, parks, libraries etc. In turn the city gov’t levels a tax which goes to support these services. In our small orthodox world we too have services such as schools, yet the tax we pay (which is the price of Kosher food and their hashgochas) does not go to support yeshivas but to private kashruth moguls like the Levy family, Szenter family and the OU which still needs to account for its income. What does it do with these fees?
It’s clear that none of these kosher fees ever get to our yeshivas.
Thus, imagine a city with services, but whose taxes were sidetracked to private individuals or some special corporate body like the OU.
That is one important reason our schools are in financial trouble.
The OU had a recent discussion in Jewish Action on the plight of our schools, but of course failed to mention this issue.
Schneur 11.22.05 - 1:02 pm Link: #

Berl responds:

An average tuition bill for a frum family (and that is after all the 'discounts') is ~$45K. The annual food bill for same family is ~$20K.
The only foods that come with a real kashrus premium are dairy, meat, and breads (~30% of the total food bill). Said premium is about half of that 30%.
We are now down to 15% of $20K, or $3K annually.
If you take away administrative and other objective costs of kashrus, our fictional family might end up with - what the heck, let’s be generous - $1,5K back in their educational budget.
Thus we have successfully funded slightly over 3% of the $45K. Great!
For the remaining 97%: V-O-U-C-H-E-R-S!

berl, crown heights 11.22.05 - 2:33 pm Link: #

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Furthermore, if we think about the implications of today's demographic trends, we must realize that the current frei-supporting-the-frum economic model is not sustainable in the long run (and you CJP suggestion is still based on that model). 20 years from now, there are not likely to be enough frei Jews to play that important role. An even smaller percentage of those remaining are likely to care about supporting 'authentic Jewish education’. So no matter how many ‘Jewish Philanthropies’ are going to get ‘Combined’, it ain’t going to help Jewish Parents and their Jewish Kids.

BTW, limited voucher programs are already running around the country – including NYC. Vouchers are fundamentally fair and badly needed by many segments of the US population, not just the frum Jews. They are today a matter of survival and Jews need to partner with other groups that are lobbying the Congress on this issue.

To end on a hopeful note, nowhere in the world can a man feed (I mean literally ‘feed’) his family with such an ease as in these United States. If vouchers are made available and Jewish communities take affordable housing issues seriously, even an average working stiff will be able to support a large family here.

berl, crown heights 11.23.05 - 3:35 pm Link: #

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berl-
Besides partnering with other interested population groups on vouchers, perhaps we can put more pressure on the big (non-frum) Jewish establishment. Most of these combined, united and syndicated federations are very active in opposition and appear among the plaintiffs in court cases against the existing programs.

nsker 11.23.05 - 5:21 pm Link: #

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nsker,

I second you sentiments.

On vouchers - vouchers for the poor is only a start.
You are never going to get help on the voucher issue from the 'Jewish establishment' types. These morons see violations of the Establishment Clause in every religious expression that is 'out of the closet'. They want their children to attend nice suburban public schools without ever hearing a single X-mas carol, but do not care a whit that most of these kids marry X-ians.

berl, crown heights 11.23.05 - 6:46 pm Link: #


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